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See previous page for more information on the bill and an audio recording of this testimony.
Sir, sir, let's not talk about kindergarten.
I am trying to draw parallels. We're saying that institutional care is okay in kindergarten or day care but we're saying it's not okay when keeping the kids overnight.
Do you have some specific amendments, Mr. Campbell, that you would like to submit to the committee, because that would be [unintelligible]
No, I am voicing opposition. I think that if the committee is going to fairly consider this bill, they ought to consider opposing viewpoints. Isn't that correct, Ms. Chairwoman?
Well, we are.
Since I'm the only one here...
[Uninteligible] specific suggestions.
My specific suggestion is do not pass this bill.
Great, okay, thank you for your testimony.
Would you like to hear my reasons for this?
I think you've already [given them].
You're saying, Ms. Chairman, that you're not going to allow a full debate on this bill.
I'm saying that in fifteen minutes we have another bill.
I am the only person who's opposing this bill, yet you are suppressing my testimony.
And you're wasting time saying that. I'll give you two minutes to make your points. Go ahead.
My points cannot be made in two minutes. I need five minutes.
Well, you're not going to get five minutes, so would you like your two minutes?
I will take whatever I can get. I mean...
You're wasting time, sir.
Ms. Chairman, I think I'm going to shift this controversy to you, Ms. Chairman.
[unintelligible aside to an aide]
Ms. Chairman, if you come to a bill, and everybody all the way down the line is opposing this bill [He meant "supporting".] don't we have an obligation to at least appoint a devil's advocate, somebody to say, "Here are the problems with this bill"?
I'm waiting to hear them.
Okay. Number one, we're taking control away from the commanders in the field. In other words, child welfare is war. Alright? Out here in Las Vegas, it's not this nice situation where you have these nice beautiful homes that you are taking children out of. You're trying to make hard decisions for kids, and they are always going to be traumatic decisions. And there are always going to be problems in the field that the commanders in the field have to resolve. This bill is taking discretion away from those commanders. It's like telling General Patton, okay, go defeat the Nazis, but before you defeat the Nazis, you're going to have to do this, this and this, you're going to have to do things in a certain way. Well, you shouldn't be taking that discretion away from the commanders.
[Pause]
I think... Actually, I think that's all I have to say. I have more to say, but you want to cut me off. And I'm going to leave now.
Sir, I gave you two minutes. Thank you for your testimony.
[END OF TRANSCRIPT]
NOTE: In the transcript above, Chairwoman Leslie says that "in fifteen minutes we have another bill." Campbell is the VERY LAST witness and the only opponent, but he can't be allowed even five minutes. In theory, those fifteen minutes could have been used to discuss the negative impacts of this bill.
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